EmoTracker - core-bugs

Hey Emo, I can't get past "No packages are installed..." dialog so here's my nfo

My Windows is in French btw, so the file generated is also in French -__- hope it's still helpful (edited)

System_report.nfo

2.36 MB

Thanks! Were you able to succesfully apply the workaround file to get it going?

Yes the workaround worked perfectly

Okay, great. As much as I want to figure out the root cause, I definitely don't want anybody to be stuck.

Had the same no packages are installed bug as well, and the workaround fixed it for me

The installer seems to be stuck at 100%. Is it ok to exit out?

i'm in win7 as well as ninban which might be the culprit. my system_report.nfo is too big for discord though

I've had a report from at least one Windows 10 user as well. I'm going to disable the first time user flow (the dialog) later tonight, and post instructions on how to do it manually to see if that helps.

16:57

@JRJathome Probably - that's interesting, I've never seen that before.

16:57

Silly Microsoft

Avast got mad when I tried to download the .exe . Don't want to tinker with it now, but I thought I'd let you know

The executable is not (yet) signed with a certificate from a Microsoft certified publisher. I'm working on that, but it takes time and money. Thanks for the heads up - you should be fine to ignore any malware blocks, or at least as fine as you are with any of the other free trackers you may have downloaded.

So I can't close the installer by pressing the x button. I tried running the tracker, and it timed out. This is the log it gave me.

001C6S8A.log

5.17 KB

17:10

Never mind. I think it was being blocked by Windows Defender.

Pressing F5 while Swap Left/Right is active resets that state which is a bit annoying

@Ninban That is a known issue that will be getting resolved this week. That setting has historically been defined as part of the tracker layout for the pack, which gets reloaded any time you hit F5. I will be migrating it to a different settings system that is not affected by F5.

Nice! I liked your demo btw, didn't stay for all your stream as I had to get stuff packed but I might start using your tracker when I'll be back in town!

Cool, glad you liked it!

A note about MM/TR. Not having sword marks them accessable if you have everything else you need (edited)

19:48

Sorry if I get spammy. I'm testing things that might not have been thought of. Marked 5/6 as having them. Marked Aga, hookshot, flippers (gives west dark world access and access to big bomb). Marking mirror doesn't give you access to pyramid fairy on the tracker

19:51

SW marked as clearable without sword. EDIT: fixed (edited)

Some of this just got fixed in a package update...

19:57

@here I've just published a package update which... • Makes lamp sequence breakable for aga tower • Adds a sequence break option to Lake Hylia Island when you have aga1, mirror, and flippers • Properly adds the moon pearl to the requirements list for Turtle Rock (doh) • Properly adds a sword to the requirements for Mothula • Adds either Half Magic or a Bottle as sequence breakable requirements for Spike Cave Restart the tracker, and you should see a notification in the bottom right letting you know there is a package update available. You can double click that as a shortcut to open the Package Manager, and install the update. I just noticed a bug where the "Update Available" status is not clearing properly, but it will be correct the next time you start the tracker, and I will be looking into that issue. Thanks to @Espeon and @kraedy for raising these issues.

(edited)

20:03

@ozipone Is a sword actually required by logic for MM/TR?

Medallion usage

DOH

DOH indeed

20:08

Hera doesn't have requirement for a weapon that can hurt him (hammer/sword)

A lot of bosses are probably missing those

Might want to make the sword requirement optional for people running swordless mode.

I'll go through them all tonight, but I just published two package updates, so the things you reported prior to that are now fixed

Requirement bugs are always funny to run into

Swordless mode has enough different requirements that I'm expecting it to be a different pack

This week Smbai let me know that I had a logic bug in my year old hud that I hadnt found issues to

20:09

sometimes things squeak through >.<

Yep yep, it's why I was excited to enter open beta and get more eyes on it

I have been updating cross's tracker for my own use and keep finding stuff wrong in it

It's a tricky thing to get right. I at least have a pretty quick, painless way to resolve the issues.

Yeah I wish I programmed mine by areas instead of individual item reqs per location

I mean, you can do that in mine too

20:12

It's just that locations inherit requirements, so you CAN do it hierarchically to save yourself time.

Yeah

20:12

Mine wasnt like that at all, big mistake

My current data set is kind of a mish-mash of both, and could stand to be cleaned up. It's on my list at some point.

is there a github to see the logic?

youd frown at my foutonchesthud code

it'd be faster if we can just nitpick through the code

@Espeon You don't need a github to see the logic. Just unzip the package file in Documents/EmoTracker/packages to somewhere else and look at locations.json

20:13

But make sure you restart and download the latest updated package first, as some things have been fixed

20:13

And please submit fixes to me for now (edited)

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What's the thought logic behind making fat fairy yellow with just pearl, mitts and 5/6 in your inventory? I think you need at least boots or bottle to get the bomb on the west side with sequence breaks

I think the actual error might be that that was intended to have the flippers as a requirement

20:17

As you can do the bomb warp

Yeah that works too

I'm not sure if you can set up the boots water walk with the bomb like that, but is that what you were thinking with boots? What's the bottle method?

I'm not 100% sure about the bottle though. Don't know if there's enough time to get to the portal after fairy revival

ah

Boots waterwalk should work

20:19

if you set it up at SW

20:19

I think Evanidus has made gifs about it

Yeah, seems possible, although it'd be very very tight timing

20:19

since you necessarily drop the bomb to set it up

Windows 10, build 10240 since I can't get this damn thing to update. I'll download the extras and see how that works.

emotracker-trethewey.nfo

5.32 MB

If you search from:evanidus big bomb you will find the flipper method as a gif

@MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge Interesting, okay. Thanks for the system report. Did you have the endless dialog?

at the alttpr discord

The flipper method I know

*boots

Ah

my mistake

No worries

It's natural to not know all the glitches that can be used. Fairy revival and boots waterwalk are the less known things so some interactions are bound to be forgotten

Emo: Yeah. Had to force quit in Task Manager.

pretty sure you can't drop a bomb with the big one onscreen

@MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge Okay. I'm probably going to push an app update later tonight that disables those dialogs. There is literally no loop around them in the code, so it's something in the Windows side of things.

Yeah, that's strange.

20:24

Is there a way to implement a Restart button after installing new packages?

One thought about fairy revival. If you plan to bring that to the sequence break logic you probably should add net to that same logic to guarantee you can actually have a fairy

Bombos, Ether, Quake toggle if you keep left-clicking where the rest are left-click for On and right-click for Off. 1/2 Magic may include an additional upgrade to 1/4 Magic since Easy still supports that. Editable item layout?

@MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge the medallions work that way, as do the crystals. That is because right click is used to cycle the dungeon markings for the medallions and the crystal/56/pendant/green state

Ahh, I didn't think to do that with the Medallions, duh.

Item layout is editable via overriding the tracker layout file

Got it.

Adding quarter magic is no problem, but also not super high priority compared to some other fixes

Most definitely.

Red boom shifts a pixel down and left from where blue boom is, intended?

It's on my list - it's just an error in the actual icon image

Yeah I had the same issue with my huds

20:32

not sure why the image we found was like that

I may or may not have stolen yours, lol

Im not gonna lie I think I hardcoded the solution into PugHUD instead of just changing the image cuz I was lazy

lol

20:35

I've got photoshop

I coulda fixed it in paint

I'm gonna add the "both boomarangs" state when I get around to fixing this

oh btw. IP is marked sequence break with bombos without sword

20:37

no fire rod of course

can't grab updated package, nothin happens

Did the progress bar move and appear to complete?

20:39

If so, just restart the tracker. I've seen a sporadic issue with the "Update Available" notification not clearing

20:39

@ozipone Good catch on ice, I'll fix that in the next package update.

ah ok

yeah just had the same issue

Yeah, it's on my list. First priority is trying to get to the bottom of whatever causes some people to have an infinite dialog loop on startup before installing packages

Not sure if this was caught yet

20:49

but if you have both FF crystals, Aga1, Pearl, Gloves, Hookshot and Mirror, you should be able to do the big bomb

20:49

it seems to be requiring flippers or hammer, but not gloves as a way to swing all the way over to big bomb

20:50

(yet all other nearby locations do allow gloves)

Got it, good catch - thanks!

Very minor graphic thingy that started to bug me on PugHUD too, the bottom line of the crystals dont have a black line

Bottle shifts 1 pixel left when turned on too

Bunny Revival in Ice Palace is a minor glitch (all other dungeon bunny revivals need major glitches) so Ice Palace should be completable sans moon pearl under the sequence break flag

kk

So this is where your borders get tested

21:14

for the overworld bunny revival in mire

21:14

Flippers + fairy in a bottle + mirror lets you skip pearl by slowly glitching into the water, mirroring and dying in the DW from a ranged attack and getting rezzed

21:15

however you can do it without the flippers and mirror if you can manage to jump into the water and die on the exact same frame, which, when relying on ranged enemy attacks, is kinda astronomical but possible

Yeah, things like fairy revival in cases like that are definitely in what I'd call the gray area

21:18

Like, my thought is... Are people who would actually do that glitch using a location tracker in the first place (at least for open mode, not for glitched modes)

yeah exactly

I know @jaysee has expressed an interest in developing glitched logics

21:18

Where that level of stuff is potentially much more useful

the flippers and mirror one is a little more understandable, though no one should ever use it in a rando

yeah

21:19

It's definitely an interesting debate to have, lol

21:19

There are glitches that a lot of high-tier runners don't even know, or at least do

Also, should the window be saving its size/setup when I close and reopen

Like, even the super bomb warp across the dark world river is uncommon

What's expected and what's allowed (even if impractical) should be detailed, imo

THAT one has been on my list for a while, @Fouton (PugHUD) . Just been lowish priority

21:21

I think the real question is the balance between "what is possible and what is practically useful to have on my screen"

Agreed

21:22

In v27 open, no one should EVER go "well I dont know where pearl is but I guess Ill fairy revive rq to get Mire done real quickly"

right

the ice palace one I can see happening in a blue moon